. >> we know your problems with npr and our problems because of that as well. do you think they would even do something like this? >> no, i don't know of any example where they've engaged in that kind -- obviously, they will stigmatize people by, you know, only giving one point of view but here, you have a situation with media matters where if you at all vary from some sort of liberal orthodox, you're in their cross hairs, they attack in a way that is intended to ruin your personal life, ruin your business. it has nothing to do with an honest debate. to me, this is the contrary of everybody who says, you know, we love america. we want to have a debate between left and right. let's get the truth out. here are where you're right on the facts and here's where you're wrong on the facts. that's not what's going on here. people need to understand, this is about ruining people and trying to take a company down to destroy a company. >> right. we'll have you on again. can't wait to talk to you about your new book "muzzled". congratulations on it. talk to you soon. >> th